Firefly was Cowboy Bebop with everything interesting removed.
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts Firefly was fun but the fandom kind of ruined it.
@breakfastgolem it might've been novelty fun if you've never seen the space western setting before but Bebop did it so well and Firefly was just whedon in space
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts For me it's the opposite, loved Firefly but didn't get the appeal of Cowboy Bebop at all.
@nutomic idk what to say to that tbh but one of the shows utilized the style and setting really well and the other one could've just been an NYC cop show and people wouldn't have cared
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts you mean firefly could have been a cop show? Its literally about outlaws who steal things for a living. In fact, its what I would say about bebop. I also really loved the characters in firefly. Guess we just have different opinions here.
And to be clear I'm not defending whedon, he's a piece of shit. I also didn't like any of his other shows/movies, except firefly and cabin in the woods.
@nutomic i am saying that Firefly is exactly as deep and engaging as CSI or NCIS or any of those shows, and not a well-written show, and also it's ok lol it's ok to disagree with me
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts haha I'm high and kind of feel like I have to convince you. But that would be too much effort :D
@nutomic you are fighting over a decade of pent up dislike for the show, it would be a monumental task. but enjoy the weed! what kind u smoking?
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts not that much, I just watched firefly like 5 years ago, and bebop sometime later. Lol thanks, no idea about the type, can never remember any of that (or tell much of a difference).
@nutomic i am going to smoke some later lol. Sativa so it's the social kind instead of the sleepy kind. Some people don't experience a difference of effects tho
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts yeah I don't experience that. But for me it feels different if I smoke alone at home, or when I smoke with friends.
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts Jesus Christ, that's a hot take.
I can't refute it yet, let me keep thinking. 😂
@erosdiscordia all my anime opinions are correct
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts i remember watching it 10 years ago and being like, that’s it? Alright I guess. It definitely doesn’t warrant the fanatic following it has to this day
@sweetmercury the thing about firefly to me is that it kinda wastes the setting and genre bc it could EASILY be like a NYC cop show or w/e with a few dialogue and scene changes. I think it was ppls first exposure to cool sci-fi TV, or at least their first in a long time, but it's not good to me, it's a standard 2005 era TV show
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts To me it's one of those shows that would have been pretty amazing to see in like 1997-98. By the time it was made, it was like...OK.
There were some funny and interesting parts, and I liked the Mal and Zoe dynamic. But it still had this weird Whedon sexism that got on my nerves. And it definitely squandered the scifi element.
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts I also hated how, when male characters did something cool, it was "cool dude!"
And when female characters popped off or did something cool, it was "Joss Whedon is amazing". Even when the female characters were loved, some tribute always had to be paid to a guy.
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts plus he was coming off of Buffy which was this phenomenon for lot of people, and the early cancellation gave it this legend status.
@sweetmercury I was never into Buffy, but it clearly filled a gap in TV right then for a lot of people (especially queer kids and nerdy girls). I just wish the passion for it had translated into more shows centering cool young women doing interesting SFF stuff. Maybe even, ya know, BY young cool women artists.
Instead it seemed to degenerate into what Los complained about -- bro feminism and mindless "snarky" dialogue. And queer-baiting.
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts i dont necessarily agree with this but i appreciate the passionate dismissal
@picklemaddierix it's ok maddie i'm just online and having opinions, ya know?
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts hell yeah go off!!
@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts Ouch, that hurts.
Fwiw, I love both shows. Bebop definitely does more with the setting (that deep dive into the underground mall for a VCR, gorgeous!) But I feel that is also about the freedoms of animation vs the constrictions of live action stuff.
@kingannoy those lack of freedoms didn't affect Star Trek or Star Wars
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