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@Gigi Pretty sure that if we lived in societies devoting their efforts to the problem of sustainably feeding 8B+ people, instead of marshalling their brightest minds to "make line go up" we'd be in a better place on that front. But again, some people just REALLY wanna believe a whole lotta innocent people have to die for "nature" - not them, never them, but nameless "people" - usually billions of them. I ain't here for it.